Emil Michael, now a senior Pentagon official, says he’ll never forgive Uber investors who ousted him and Kalanick

Emil Michael, now a senior technology official at the Department of Defense, expressed lasting resentment toward the Uber investors who forced him and Travis Kalanick out in 2017, saying he will never forgive them. In a newly released podcast interview, Michael argued the investors prioritized short-term gains over Uber's autonomous driving ambitions, which he and Kalanick believed was the company's future. The interview also touches on his current role amid the DoD's ongoing dispute with Anthropic.